tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post2367367433750931783..comments2024-03-27T17:11:21.969+02:00Comments on Geulah Perspectives: Leshem on the time of MoshiachAri Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-28188978402346683832010-09-02T19:37:57.650+03:002010-09-02T19:37:57.650+03:00Please, I hope this means it will happen sooner or...Please, I hope this means it will happen sooner or later -- like right now. I may not survive till 2040..Moriahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10031303390387367887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-39730451646753136462010-09-02T20:19:50.826+03:002010-09-02T20:19:50.826+03:00Ari, if I recall, the Leshem never says that the l...Ari, if I recall, the Leshem never says that the last third of Yesod is the last third of the millennium. Do I err?גילויhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-15614621890615724022010-09-02T20:21:49.225+03:002010-09-02T20:21:49.225+03:00I think that the hint to a very close time is in t...I think that the hint to a very close time is in the last line of the quote. לעת ערב can mean 'at the time of evening.' It can also mean 'when the sun sets.' As I've explained previously, the sun sets twice, once from its peak on the horizon, which becomes noticeable at 12:30 (which was Rosh Chodesh Av), and once at sunset. Since we know that 'hastening' requires that it not wait until actual sunset, we know we are speaking about the first 'sunset,' which just occurred.Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-53587136491097384292010-09-02T21:59:47.647+03:002010-09-02T21:59:47.647+03:00גילוי, it seemed to me that this was what he was s...גילוי, it seemed to me that this was what he was saying. What I have here is a direct translation. Only the brackets are added. Am I reading something that is not there?Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-23645691577323390052010-09-03T08:59:12.786+03:002010-09-03T08:59:12.786+03:00Let's try to make the Leshem's words here ...Let's try to make the Leshem's words here work with the GR"A in Sifra diTzniuta (it should be noted that the Leshem considered himself to be following in the GR"A's path). You quoted here that he says that he will not wait until the end of the Hanhaga of Ateret HaYesod, and whatever it is before the end of this period is considered to be Achishena, and before that time, it is not relevant to expect the arrival of Moshiach ben Dovid (which is the GR"A's shita as well, see my post on B'ita Achishena from 2007 or 2008).<br><br>The GR"A says, however, that the duration of the Hanhaga of Ateret haYesod is equivalent to the duration of Yemot haMoshiach. Meaning, the GR"A holds that the entire time period in question will have the definition of Yemot HaMoshiach.<br><br>To make them fit together, we can assert the following:<br><br>The GR"A felt that the Achishena *quantity* would be 100%, i.e. Moshiach would be at the beginning of the period of Ateret haYesod, not later.<br><br>The Hanhaga of Yesod/Ateret haYesod is not a simple mapping of 1000 years against 100%.<br><br>Shana Tova, Ariגילויhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-83627433814538936622010-09-03T09:00:26.516+03:002010-09-03T09:00:26.516+03:00thankyou ari for your posts on mashiach ben yosef ...thankyou ari for your posts on mashiach ben yosef , as the gra says the more You speak of him I remember him better . Efraim is a delightful child everything was dear to his eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-27335796901854811552010-09-03T09:17:50.889+03:002010-09-03T09:17:50.889+03:00PS ari I suggest you stick with the gra and ramcha...PS ari I suggest you stick with the gra and ramchal on the subject of mashiach ben efraim . The gra said he came down from heaven just to be the light of mashiach ben yosef in the final dor . The ramchal was privvey to secrets on the keitz through angels as you know before he was 20 in italy. The gra said him and the ramchal were the only ones who understood the underlying sod of the ari , later he included chaim vital .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-85655307440786279982010-09-03T11:46:42.227+03:002010-09-03T11:46:42.227+03:00Do you hold by the lubavitcher rebbe or rav Yitzch...Do you hold by the lubavitcher rebbe or rav Yitzchak kaduris predictions on mashiach ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-81114553713459250792010-09-04T21:07:24.599+03:002010-09-04T21:07:24.599+03:00Anon 2, the Leshem is a student of the school of t...Anon 2, the Leshem is a student of the school of the Gra.<br><br>Anon 3, I can't tell you because I don't know anything they say.Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-40141046259510718072010-09-04T21:25:21.082+03:002010-09-04T21:25:21.082+03:00גילוי - The Leshem seems to clearly say that he do...גילוי - The Leshem seems to clearly say that he doesn't come (I'm not sure who 'he' is - MBD or MBY) until שיפולי העטרה, which I translated as the 'lowest point' of the crown. He references this time as "לעת ערב" and it it does not seem to be the same time as the beginning of the period of עטרת היסוד. Are you familiar with the term שיפולי העטרה and what it might refer to? Perhaps it is indeed the beginning of עטרת היסוד? To me it seems clear that it is a different time.Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-37105627186356476772010-09-04T21:27:44.874+03:002010-09-04T21:27:44.874+03:00Also, when the Gr'a says that Yemos Hamashiach...Also, when the Gr'a says that Yemos Hamashiach begins at that time, can't that mean that the process begins explicitly at that time? How do we know it must mean Moshiach's actual advent?Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-5952324082643344592010-09-04T22:03:52.279+03:002010-09-04T22:03:52.279+03:00Ari, imagine Yesod as a line upwards. The lowest ...Ari, imagine Yesod as a line upwards. The lowest point of Atara is it's beginning.גילויhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-30791689527548865292010-09-04T22:11:05.259+03:002010-09-04T22:11:05.259+03:00And for your second question: We have available m...And for your second question: We have available more than just the words of the GR"A. We have how his words fit in with the rest of the picture.גילויhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-57949753184727691472010-09-05T18:37:56.263+03:002010-09-05T18:37:56.263+03:00Ari are the gras words on mashiach different in hi...Ari are the gras words on mashiach different in his peirush on sefer ditzunuta then kol hator ? In kol hator he gives no dates just explains a scenerio with mby and his 156 tikkunim and the erev rav edom ishmael which is oviousely prophecy from the gra . For I dont know of any other source including ramchal or ari who pinpointed this scenerio lkie the gra !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-23863980902426436722010-09-05T22:39:27.015+03:002010-09-05T22:39:27.015+03:00גילוי, thanks for your thoughts. Can you respond t...גילוי, thanks for your thoughts. Can you respond to this last comment?Ari Goldwaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001830904029918392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-1104822255242415552010-09-06T07:30:33.765+03:002010-09-06T07:30:33.765+03:00There is no contradiction. It is different sides ...There is no contradiction. It is different sides to the same story. Sifra ditzniuta contains how the upper worlds develop as a function of time, with some material on the correlation to our history, namely the process of Geulah.<br><br>Kol haTor focuses on what our actions should be to "help things along".גילויhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10600628881119650305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-59958566117254618152010-09-07T22:50:16.099+03:002010-09-07T22:50:16.099+03:00Ari may I correct you you say this country in the ...Ari may I correct you you say this country in the singular , the gra says he will rule the whole world . on the passuk gives his bread to the poor , a good eye will be bless , and rebuke rightousely the humble of the earth in 156 tikkunim kol hator . As the ramchal says in many places there is rectification for the nations who didnt make a game of harming israel or God for that matter .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-951674360307150124.post-90875320914238960652010-09-16T17:18:53.358+02:002010-09-16T17:18:53.358+02:00Evil speech keeps the yetzer alive witness movies ...Evil speech keeps the yetzer alive witness movies tv college dorms clubs and western culture , maybe good speech keeps the memory of efraim for Hashem , as the Gaon says by speaking of him , the more I speak of him I remember him better I will surely have mercy says Hashem . This possuk is quoted by the gra and repeatedly by the ramchal .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com